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Lawmaker Proposes Moving Halloween to a Saturday. Do You Agree?

Proposal for 2012 would make Halloween the last Saturday of October in Connecticut.

State Rep. Tim Larson, a Democrat who represents East Hartford and South Windsor, has proposed designating the last Saturday of each October as Halloween in Connecticut instead of the traditional Oct. 31, citing both parents' concerns and economic issues.

Larson said in a news release that he doesn't expect the General Assembly to take up the issue this year, when Halloween falls on a Monday. But, he said, he would like to have his proposal considered in 2012.

"Halloween is a fun night for the whole family, but not so much when you have to race home from work, get the kids ready for trick or treating, welcome the neighborhood children, and then try to get everyone in bed for an early school and work morning," Larson said. "Halloween has also become one of the top holidays for retailers selling candy, decorations, costumes and general party supplies. Jobs are created by this holiday, so let's make it a little more fun and safe for everyone, and create some jobs too."

While Halloween is not an official state or federal holiday, Larson said that parents of young children have complained to him about weeknight trick or treating and would prefer a weekend day. Saturday allows for events during the day as well as an earlier start to trick or treating, Larson said.

"This would be good for the economy and make Halloween a more family-friendly event every year," he said. "Everyone looks forward to Halloween a little more when it falls on the weekend."

Mark Kalina October 25, 2011 at 05:45 pm
@Maria- I am not sure moving Halloween will help families all that much. They still will need to block out the time for the event in any case. That said, most children go early and are tired out after an hour or two. It is rare to see anyone out much after 8:30- 9:00. Many residents turn off their lights either when they run out of candy or they don't want to be bothered any longer. So the point of this erstwhile proposal really isn't worth the paper wasted to write it.
Maria Giannuzzi October 25, 2011 at 08:36 pm
I wouldn't be too hard on Representative Larson. He may be very sincere about helping families with two (exhausted) working parents.
Mr. Eleveld, your math skills are awesome. But I'd better get my flu shot, since my employer won't be subject to the new sick pay law.
Steve Marriott October 25, 2011 at 09:29 pm
Great idea Larson, why don't you add a Halloween tax while you're at it? Is there anything these idiots don't think they need to intervene in?
R Eleveld October 25, 2011 at 09:31 pm
@Maria, Do you think any of our fine representatives did that simple math? They did figure out they can say they supported the unions and get those votes... the limit on math skills.
Now consider Obamacare that is supposed to apply also to the 50 person employer at a penalty cost of $1-2K per employee. The specifics are still unknown. Change the 2.5% to $1K or $2K per employee from above and you have a per hour cost of $58 to $106 per hour for that 50th employee plus plus plus.... Now you can understand why no one wants to hire. The unknowns make for a difficult business environment, and that is the BIG reason people are wary of hiring anyone! Consider yourself when your life is in flux, you pull back. Businesses are just larger people and they behave the same they pull back. Also, Yes get that flu shot.... Maria you can find an employer that offers health insurance. No one is MAKING you work there, are they? Is the boss holding you hostage? Is your skill set so narrow that this is the only job in the area you are qualified for? Yes the beauty of a free market you can work anywhere granted the market is more limited, but the above explained that. @Jim G it is a logical extension of the rationale for why jobs are vacant... Remember Larson said his proposal will equal more jobs.... and Maria kinda opened the Obamacare/healthcare issue.
R Eleveld October 25, 2011 at 09:33 pm
Steve,
Please don't give them ideas.... :-)
Maria Giannuzzi October 26, 2011 at 01:53 pm
Alas, I have perhaps one of the narrowest skills sets in Connecticutland. I sit here on the margins, but at the same time am incredibly fortunate. What's really startling are all those middle-class Americans who have also found themselves on the margins during the past few years, most of whom do not have my advantages. The Occupy Movement is perhaps one of the clearest expressions of this economic fall from grace. These certainly are interesting times.
R Eleveld October 26, 2011 at 02:13 pm
@Maria, You may want to read the item written by Malvi Lennon... [http://windsor.patch.com/blog_posts/occupy-wall-street-a-grassroots-movement-or-leftist-youth-exploitation] apparently this very loose knit, rather disfunctional group of disparate issue mongers that has a 'manifesto' or list of demands. The list has received over 1600 comments. The list is self contradictory to a rational person. Such as high tariffs, AND open borders AND free labor movement across borders AND free college education, AND forgiveness of ALL debt, TRILLIONS in eco and infrastructure improvements, and a "living wage", not based upon merit or ability.
This group has a valid gripe, but that gripe is to all our national representatives that brought $5 debit charges, higher bank costs, the mortgage crisis, and I can go on. Do not get angry about people using the rules to make a lot of money, Solyndra come to mind, the mortgage GES's. I can go on. The truth is solutions really are simple, complicated solutions are usually not real solutions. A 10% or 15% flat tax is an easy simple clean solution. Add the 1,000's of pages of text and its not simple, but it make attorneys, accountants and financial advisers happy, and the wealthy. Remember Congress is stock full of millionaires on both sides!
Pat Droney October 26, 2011 at 04:30 pm
The next thing you know they'll move Christmas and New Year's Day to a Monday to give everyone a three day weekend. And yes, I know that New Year's Day is January 1 but do you think these bozos care? They already moved George Washington's birthday and Lincoln's birthday to accommodate "President's Day."
meowkats4 October 26, 2011 at 07:20 pm
Don't worry Patrick, the government will have the whole calendar changed before we even realize it. They mess with our time changes, they mess with what we eat, they mess with our utilities, the mess with our cars, they mess with our health/care, they mess with our land and the list goes on and on. We let them get away with it and never spoke up in the very beginning and we are paying for it all NOW!
Steve Marriott October 26, 2011 at 08:51 pm
The idea that government should do something just because it's a good idea is a bad idea.
Maria Giannuzzi October 27, 2011 at 11:16 am
I don't know. I always thought that barring eleven and twelve year old children from working in mines and factories was a pretty good idea, and our public universities, community colleges, protection of our water supply, rules preventing air traffic controllers from sleeping on the job. Seriously, slogans cannot and should not substitute for thoughtful consideration of issues.
In another comment, the commenter referred to "our health care." This is a very interesting comment. The commenter didn't say "my health care." She said "our". Perhaps it was just the wrong choice of words. Because some people in this country do not have health care. They can't afford it. There is no "our" for them. A wider perspective is needed.
Maria Giannuzzi October 27, 2011 at 11:47 am
The significance of the Occupy Movement is the fact that it reflects a broad cross-section of America. As a result, protesters are going to care about a wide variety of issues. Just as the American people as a whole care about a wide variety of issues. I don't believe the Occupy Movement is a narrow political group, like the Tea Party. Whether articulated by its participants or not, the movement is an awakening, a raising of awareness that affirms the dignity of every human being.
meowkats4 October 27, 2011 at 04:07 pm
Maria: The Tea Party is a "Narrow Political GROUP? I don't think so! You need to get yourself out to a Tea Party Meeting and find out what is going on for yourself and stop viewing the garbbage put out by those that know nothing about the TEA PARTY and spread false information what they are!
Jim G. October 27, 2011 at 04:50 pm
Maria, once the "gummint is evil and exists solely to ruin our lives" crowd has joined a topic, it's time to move on. Verb. sap., eh?
Steve Marriott October 27, 2011 at 09:47 pm
@Jim G. Jim, you are someone who believes that every question has one answer, more government. Jim, you are a statist who believes in the infallibility of big government, and so our most dictators, communists and elitists. And Maria g, you are not too far behind. Funny how you both conveniently forget the purpose that OUR (there's that word again) was created was to protect our right to life, LIBERTY and the pursuit of happiness, not to take from or diminish these things in order to provide others with whatever it is they want.
Maria, if you want to believe that child labor was solved by government, go right on believing it. It was solved by our country going through the normal stages of industrialization all industrialized nations go through. When there was Child labor it existed because it needed to. Either the children worked, or the family starved. This had nothing to do with government or evil corporations and neither did it's abolition. And talk about "slogans?" Your gubmint Universities are the are the biggest slogan factories. The government constantly gives students grants and loans (and now will forgive virtually all student loans), and then we all wonder why tuitions are so high? Maybe you should ask those gubmint economics professors to explain supply and demand. That government which governs least governs best and this has always been the case. More government always leads to more oppression, ask anyone who's ever lived in a communist hell.
Jim G. October 28, 2011 at 12:33 am
As I said... when the TFH crowd shows up, time to find a new thread.
In your vein... I thought all people named Steve were dead and everyone named Marriott lived in a hotel.
R Eleveld October 28, 2011 at 11:24 am
My ignorance is showing... what is TFH?
R Eleveld October 28, 2011 at 11:38 am
Capitalism is a very positively powerful approach to society.
As families earned more because productivity increased and people like Henry Ford could pay more, he did so because a higher wage usually equates to a higher quality employee. This in turn increases productivity, and the cycle continues to IMPROVE. Families made enough money so that kids did not have to work. Kids could go to school, because a higher education also equates to higher wages. Government is not an invisible hand. Government consistently modifies economic behavior temporarily to the benefit of the few, and those few are wrongly called capitalists. You just need to go back 40 years to see the underpinnings of the GM/Chrysler bailouts... Note Ford did not need one. Why? It decided for competitive and quality reasons [capitalism] to make systemic changes that positioned Ford well for the recession. Government is all about backing friends... to think otherwise is naive. That makes capitalism's invisible hand not work, and usually backs those that are not strong. Think of capitalism as Darwinian law of the jungle. The strong survive the weak get eaten. What is left continues to grow stronger and more productive for the benefit of many more.
Maria Giannuzzi October 28, 2011 at 12:45 pm
By all appearances the Tea Party is primarily composed of socially conservative upper middle class whites with health insurance. Most are privileged individuals. Some are ideologues who simply do not care about the reality experienced by many of their fellow citiizens. But I'm sure there are exceptions. In my book, that is "narrow." They do not represent a cross-section of America. As far as the "gummint is evil and exists solely to ruin our lives" crowd is concerned, I really don't mind them. Although at a certain point a response is a waste of time. Their arguments reflect a superficial world view. Besides I like Steve's hat.
Maria Giannuzzi October 28, 2011 at 01:19 pm
The facts: During the first four decades of the 20th century, both state and federal governments passed laws regulating the minimum ages of employment and hours of work for children. These laws were passed as the result of a long and arduous struggle by labor unions, women's organizations, child welfare groups and concerned citizens to protect children in the workplace. The University of Iowa's Child Labor Public Education Project's website provides a good overview of the history of child labor in the U.S., http://www.continuetolearn.uiowa.edu/laborctr/child_labor/about/us_history.html. There are other websites as well.
R Eleveld October 28, 2011 at 02:32 pm
The link you noted: "In the early decades of the twentieth century, the numbers of child laborers in the U.S. peaked. Child labor began to decline as ...labor standards in general began improving" Unions pushed, laws were passed, and monster called capitalism, brought goods to market at lower and lower prices. Children it is noted HAD to work to help support families: "Causes of Child Labor... similar to its causes in the U.S. 100 years ago, including poverty, limited access to education..."
Maria, If you believe government is the end all to all our problems, you really can consider moving. The most prosperous countries are those with the least regulation and governmental interference. Hong Kong had a phenomenal economic engine, pre-china. With low regulations, ease of doing trade, and low taxes. Countries with the greatest government involvement are those most economically challenged, and they also have the highest levels of oppression, government largess, giveaways, and hunger. France has poor employment prospects, and a government running from one crisis to another. Russia is zooming back to communism. Much of Africa is a Marxist/Leninist haven with lots of starving people. North Korea where there are no dogs, cats and birds based upon some accounts. South Korea is flourishing mightily relative to the Government controlled North. Be careful of what you ask for, you might just get it. Consider things will really work, not what is supposed to happen.
Maria Giannuzzi October 28, 2011 at 03:29 pm
People should view the website on the history of child labor and decide for themselves why government regulation was needed to protect children in the workplace. They also should view archival photographs of children working.
There are many good businesses run by ethical, honorable, hard-working people. But there also have been and continue to be predatory businesses. How else do you explain Wall Street firms who took bailout money from U.S. taxpayers and then turned around and gave that bailout money to their top employees in the form of large bonuses. And how much of these firms so-called financial recovery is due to the Federal Reserve purchasing bad financial instruments from these firms (getting these bad investments off their books) and the firms borrowing funds from the Fed at 0% interest and using those funds to buy treasury bills with a return of 4%. Only in the most egregious cases have shareholders been able to sue these firms. I don't even blame the individuals involved. It has become sort of a game, a sport. Without a referee. I think the role of government is to be that referree.
R Eleveld October 28, 2011 at 04:34 pm
The child labor issue still occurs today around the world... Do you buy sneakers, produce, clothes, trinkets, and I could go on. If yes, you are probably helping perpetuate the issue. In turn some family gets to eat for another day, but eating is not importatnt. I am not advocating child labor.
As for bailouts, that is crony capitalism at its finest. So was AIG, GM, Chrysler, Many of the worst banks, and the banks that did not need a bailout got the money anyways. The Government through the Fed is playing referee. You don't like it do you? The government started the mess with being a mortage referee. You see there is the error in your comment... the referee. The referee in capitalism is the purchaser of the goods and services. It is not the governent. Government backs buddies of both parties. The purchaser or consumer can make a decision for themselves. You do every time you spend a $1 you vote for something. I vote to buy gas and liquor in MA when I can becasue of CT taxes. I vote to buy produce in one store because the price vs quality to ME is better. Make me buy only in one place with no competition and the price will go up, and the quality down. You can have a referee that picks the winners and losers, and the result is we are ALL losers in economic terms. Prices will rise, quality will go down, and choice will disappear. Capitalism is not perfect, but nothing works better for almost everyone!
Jim G. October 28, 2011 at 07:46 pm
Ron, I love how you and passersby like Steve can counter any argument with two prongs of boilerplate: First, when anyone points out positive accomplishments of government that have no counterargument, like the abolition of child labor, you lamely wave your hands and say, "Oh, I didn't mean that." Then you climb up on the soapbox and claim that all instances of allowing the government to do what it does are (deliberately) leading to the destruction of capitalism and/or the rise of a communist state. You do know that one-valued logic was debunked about 2500 years ago? No, of course you don't because it's not mentioned in the predigested political tracts that seem to constitute your entire reading list - or at least, the only authorities you ever cite to bolster your tiresome claims.
Here's hoping the voters of Windsor give you a lot more reading time next week.
R Eleveld October 28, 2011 at 10:03 pm
@Jim, that seems to be the kettle calling the pot black.
I actually pointed out that child labor was diminishing as sited, and that it still continues to this day around the world. I am not saying no government regulation is needed, however businesses run by people will always self regulate faster because a poor reputation takes many years of no sales to earn back. Transparency and ease of information helps the consumer make good decisions for their own benefit. A poorly designed product will cause long term business harm, and allow competitors to move in. Unless as you must believe every business is out to harm people some how and in some way. Your 2500 year old comment begs the question: what was debunked? My thoughts are original and not regurgitated pablum from some mysterious source as you might suggest. The voters will choose who they see fit... and hopefully that will be the correct choice for all. Are you Socialist Worker? You are sounding like it.
meowkats4 October 29, 2011 at 03:17 pm
Getting back to the Title of the Article here:
Well, seems little brother Tim Larson had a little more plans for changing Halloween to a Saturday, to help out BIG BROTHER "John Larson" check this article out. http://opiningquill.wordpress.com/2011/10/25/a-spooky-halloween-thought-or-nuts-falling-from-family-tree/
Steve Marriott October 29, 2011 at 07:44 pm
Again, government didn't end child labor, it outlawed it and there is a difference. Drugs are outlawed, but they exist. Murder is outlawed, but it happens. The fallacy of the statist is that when government simply makes laws, they work, as if by magic. They seldom do. This is a big jump in logic and a bigger leap in faith.
@Jim G, you dismiss the idea that unrestrained government leads to socialism, even though "unrestrained government" is a defacto definition of it. Here are two books that never made your reading list, both by F.A. Hayek I'm sure your elite education never included; The first, "The Fatal Conceit," describes you to a T. But, you'll have to read it to see if this is an insult or not. In short, you put your faith in the guidance of divine superhumans (like all Democratic social planners), not individual rights, spontaneous economic order and freedom. The second, the Road to Serfdom is a treatise on the theory that more government invariably leads to socialism, communism and totalitarianism that won a Nobel prize. Allan Bock once said that it was " the natural order of things is for government to advance and liberty to recede." He was right. Seldom do governments change direction and give more liberty to citizens without less than a revolution taking place like what happened in 1776. Have all the faith you want in government, but remember once it's gone too far, there becomes a point where it becomes too late to change it's course.
dn October 30, 2011 at 06:10 pm
Leave what was is!! You in government get off your asses and get jobs back to CT as well as the rest of the nation. Halloween is a religious event that started before governments,look up your history. And making a fixed day of the year more jobs you blowing wind up our asses as well as yours. Only if one wants to buy more candy they will regardless of the day and those that want parties already have them on the days they want 2weeks before the day or the sat after the day you in government really do not work FOR the PEOPLE, but what you think makes you look good in front of the people. LEAVE HALLOWEEN ALONE DO NOT TOUCH!!!!! thank you for your time
Steve Marriott November 2, 2011 at 09:38 pm
The article was about an idiotic idea that would have the government interfere with the date of Halloween. Look where government intervention, ie big government, has gotten us today; Welfarism, corporatism, endless police military presence in foreign countries (900 bases throughout the world) and numerous wars (drones in Somalia, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Yemen, Syria, Iraq, Libya, to name a few). Big government forced the Federal Reserve into our lives and gave us inflation that has debased the dollar about 98% since 1913, (inflation is the worst form of hidden tax ever devised), Government intervention's given us thousands upon thousands of pages added every year to the federal registry of laws and codes no single person could ever hope to understand in a lifetime, thousands of pages of IRS tax codes. Intervention has given us TARP and bailouts and Solyndra. Government intervention's even paid farmers to grow nothing, forces us to buy ethanol and who can forget the infamous "Black Codes," segregation and slavery in the south, the Vietnam war, it's given us W.I.N buttons and forces adults to wear seat belts and on and on... But don't worry, government ended child labor 100 years ago.
Katie Slater October 31, 2012 at 09:57 am
I am from PA and there it has always been on the Saturday closest to Halloween and it is safer and easier to do it them. My husband is from California, and there the also do it on a Saturday and it is during the day for safety reasons. I know we need jobs and a balanced budget, but this is something that should be done for the parents and the kids!

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