Police Link Oak Street Shooting to Earlier Stabbing

Two violent incidents that rocked Manchester this week appear to be related, according to police.

Based on interviews of witnesses and statements collected by Manchester Police, Tuesday's shooting at an Oak Street residence appears to have been sparked by a stabbing incident at the same address several days earlier, although one of the suspects arrested in conjunction with Tuesday's shooting told police he had no involvement in the stabbing and was targeted mistakenly. 

Seven people have been arrested for their involvement in the two incidents over the past week, although police have only released the names of three individuals because the other four suspects are minors. No one was wounded in Tuesday's shooting, while police described the stab wounds that two victims received the previous Friday, Sept. 21, as "non-life threatening."

According to documents compiled by police related to the incidents on file at Manchester Superior Court, an altercation between several youths at a Manchester High School football game on Sept. 21 appears to have prompted the stabbing. One of the victims of the stabbing incident, who is 17 years old, told police that he called his mother and older brother that night to pick him up from the game because he was afraid that several others were planning to "jump" him after the game. 

When the family returned home to their 243 Oak St. residence, all three later told police that there were a group of about 10 people waiting there to attack the 17 year old male, several of whom had knifes. When his older brother tried to intervene, they told police afterwards, he was also stabbed. The two victims were transported to Hartford Hospital with minor injuries. 

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Jose Acosta, 18, of 9 West Middle Turnpike, and three unidentified minors were arrested as a result of that incident and charged with breach of peace, second-degree assault, first-degree reckless endangerment, first-degree riot and possession of a dangerous weapon.

The shooting several days later appears to have been prompted when, according to sworn statements given to police by the three suspects arrested for the shooting, the 16-year old minor arrested in conjunction with the shooting was approached at a Sunoco gas station on Main Street Tuesday afternoon by the 17-year old victim of the stabbing incident and several others in a white car, who accused him of participating in the stabbing incident. The 16-year old suspect in the shooting told police that he told the 17-year old stabbing victim that he did not participate in the crime, but that they attacked him anyway. 

When the 16-year old returned home to his 358 Main St. residence, his father and older brother noticed bruises on his face and asked him what happened. When he told them that he had been attacked, according to statements, all three got into a tan Ford Escort and drove around the Main Street area searching for a white car that matched the description. The elder Cartagena brought along, according to statements. 

When they located the vehicle in front of 243 Oak St., according to statements, an argument occurred between the three family members and several people at the Oak Street residence. Statements to police were conflicting about this, but at some point during the argument Danny Cartagena appears to have fired two shots from a handgun, then the three sped away and returned to their 358 Main St. residence. 

When police spotted the tanned Escort in the driveway of 358 Main St., they took Cartagena, 39, Danny Cartagena Jr., 21, and the 16-year old into custody. A handgun was also found in an upstairs attic shared by a neighbor, but statements given to police linked the gun to the elder Cartagena, who is a convicted felony and not allowed to possess a firearm. Police traced the gun to one that was reported stolen in Hartford in the late 1990s. Marijuana was also found at the Cartagena's residence. 

Danny Cartagena, was charged with first-degree reckless endangerment, conspiracy to commit first-degree assault, unlawful possession of a firearm, illegal discharge of a firearm, criminal possession of a firearm, possession of less than four ounces of marijuana, two counts possession of marijuana within 1,500 feet of a school, possession of marijuana with intent to sell, and operating an illegal drug factory; and a 16-year old minor who was also arrested and charged with conspiracy to commit first-degree assault and conspiracy to commit first-degree reckless endangerment. 

Police said they are continuing to investigate both incidents and ask anyone with information to contact police at 860-645-5510. All calls can remain confidential.

anonymous September 28, 2012 at 11:08 AM
Actually I do work I work I have three days off a week because I work long days . My brand-new car was almost smashed into because whoever was at the house drove their car out of their parking spot in the front without looking full speed into the road. They constantly play music as loud as they possibly can until the speaker sound like they're going to break all day. I have been living on the street from many years and it's always been bad but they just make it worse. What about the night when the young kid was arrested. I watched as the police officer yelled at him to get on the ground he told him know the police officer then forcefully through him on the ground? That family is what's wrong with Manchester. As long as I'm forced to live here under lease I will call the cops anytime I see something out of ordinary going on over there. I see and hear everything in the summertime my windows are open. The older one and the younger ones are always trying to start fights with everybody on the street. They were arguing with someone inside of the van one day I had to call the police because I did not need to feel embarrassed in my own house because I had company over and they were acting ignorant across the street. I know how to spell, I also have a degree I'm using voice to text on my phone and not proofreading.
anonymous September 28, 2012 at 11:12 AM
And the oldest son of the 243 household whose name is Justin does not work.... Funny how you can defend such ignorant people. If they were so civilized and well behaved why what I have to file police reports on them? Do I need to post surveillance footage from my video camera in front of my house? I have no reason to lie. Whoever does not believe me getting your car drive on the street during any given week day it will be out on the porch loud and obnoxious. And as far as playing in the streets go when a car approaches then you need to get out of the road. They take their time walking very slow to get out-of-the-way which they have no business playing in the road first place. Bottom line I'm tired of them and I'm tired of what this neighborhood has become and I will do everything in my power legally, to keep it from getting any worse.
B September 28, 2012 at 11:13 AM
I'm not making excuses Ken, I agree wholeheartedly that this type of behavior is unacceptable.The reasons why these kids are fighting in the first place are stupid, not the gun shooting.Drug dealers, and criminals aren't the only people on state support to survive in this economy, get your narrow minded head out of your narrow @#!. Listen, i personally don't condone violence of any kind, what im saying is they are kids, and yes, although they do terribly stupid things, with terrible reprocussions, they are still kids killing kids.
B September 28, 2012 at 11:14 AM
My solution would be to start framing these young minds before it ever gets to this point, people aren't born this way, we, our society(yes, that starts at home) creates them. When you start ousting certain groups and labeling them as "Undesirables" at an early age, it tends to shape the way they see the world and people around them. I am not excusing the acts, however most of the comments seem to be more related to the families income level. Do you think all people on government assisted programs are lazy, drug dealing, gun slinging, drug addicts. That frame of thinking is most ignorant to me. Some things should go without saying, do i have to spell out everything so that there is no misunderstanding, somehow i don't think that will be enough for some of you. There is ignorance of many kinds in this world, and not everyone will see matters the same way. We need to be able to communicate without hostility, but again i cannot control what others do, or how they choose to process information. Our youth need us to come together and help them see another way, but when we turn our backs, and say good riddens, its no wonder they give us the big Bird!
B September 28, 2012 at 12:01 PM
Anonymous, you are not the only person in this world with a degree. Get off your high horse. Yeah, i'm sure they are THE only problem Manchester has. Child molesters, dead bodies, missing people, and a bomb scare, no thank you. Most communities in America, if not the world, are susceptible to these kinds of happenings. The deterioration of our youth is an epidemic. I'm not opposed to people breaking the law having to be held accountable, what i am opposed to is narrow minded races to judgement, people of all races, ages, and so on can be found to be unlawful, not just poor, minorities. Like i said before, the forming of a mind starts at a much younger age. At this stage we have already failed as a society of families. Just a reminder, there are many hard working, college grads receiving government aid right now, they did everything right, went to school, stayed away from trouble, sought employment, and yet that hasn't proved to be enough. I have 2 small children, and it breaks my heart to see our youth destroying itself, and i do not think the solution is to throw them away like yesterdays garbage. Do i have THE solution, no, no one does, and we do not live in a one size does not fit all society. That is why i am getting involved in this dialogue to have an exchange, not go on a witch hunt. It terrifies me that my kids could have been out there while all of this went down. I am so grateful that no one was shot. I hope this can be an eye opener to all parties involved.
anonymous September 28, 2012 at 12:11 PM
You had the nerve to correct my grammar so I simply stated that I am educated and can correct my own grammar. I am not Caucasian I am a mixed race of Spanish and Caucasian so I'm not being biased against them at all. I understand that there are many things going wrong in Manchester but since they moved across the street from me I have wanted nothing more than to move out of my own home that I have been for now six years. I invite you to come sit on my property and watch the things I have to do day-to-day because of these people. If you do not know first hand like I do then you probably have no business saying anything at all.
anonymous September 28, 2012 at 12:16 PM
Also look absolutely infuriates me to know that you are defending these people when clearly all they do start trouble with people in the neighborhood on a daily basis. If you cannot behave like normal civilized Americans then you obviously have no business having your freedom and you need to be locked behind bars. I don't think I need to come home after working 10 to 12 hours to have to deal with police officers around my house and gunshots etc. so now a decent hard-working tax paying citizen is going to move out so that a lower income person to move and no one else would want to live in this neighborhood. You can defend them all you want but like I said come over to this area and see what I'm talking about
B September 28, 2012 at 12:17 PM
Just to be clear Anonymous, I never defended their actions, i would never condone violence of any kind. But we don't know the full story, I believe whether we are sorry or not we should all be accountable for our actions, that is what i strive to teach my children. I also teach by example, that everyone deserves respect and to judge based on actions, character, not ones income, social status, race, orientation, age. etc. I don't know that family, so i have no need to defend them, actually according to the article they were the ones who mistakenly retaliated against the other teen whose father did the shooting, so why would i defend anyone in this case, they are all wrong. this whole situation is wrong, and if these families dont stop and come to their senses, its just going to continue, and that is the saddest part of all this, the continuous cycle of violence.
anonymous September 28, 2012 at 12:19 PM
What kills me also is the price that I have to pay to live in this house and it's no better than Hartford I might as well move to Hartford Payless rent and deal with the same nonsense.
anonymous September 28, 2012 at 12:25 PM
I can put any amount of money on it that they were the ones that initially wanted to fight they are always fighting in front of their house. I do not condone the retaliation of a drive-by shooting. And I am not upset at them because of their race or income status I am upset at the way they conduct their day-to-day lives.
B September 28, 2012 at 12:40 PM
Listen, i hear what you are saying, but all i read in these comments is in line with your last statement -- "so now a decent hard-working tax paying citizen is going to move out so that a lower income person to move and no one else would want to live in this neighborhood." What is so wrong about being a low income family, not all low income families are criminal, some were even higher income, tax paying families at one point in their lives. what does that have to do with this case. Address the violence, not the income level, many college grads, including myself are low income, does that mean we shouldn't have the same rights? Just lock us all up in towers to off ourselves?! As far as you being mixed, does that exempt you from being biased? not at all. I never said you are a racist, i didnt know your race, doesn't matter to me. But to say that automatically exempts anyone from being biased racially makes no sense.I was not referring to you personally, i was referring to comments being made in general. I agree, you absolutely have a right to come home to a peaceful environment, as do we all. That was my point, and i'm done. Have a good day, and even better weekend.
B September 28, 2012 at 12:48 PM
I was referring to the other family (the ones involved in the drive by), not the one who lives by you, so i apologize for the misunderstanding. As i said before i don't condone any violence, be it initial or retaliation, of any kind, as i would never want to see my children end up in a similar situation.
Melissa September 28, 2012 at 02:43 PM
I'm with Ken on this one Barbara!! It's people like them and you, because you make excuses for them, why society is the way it is today. No one is held accountable for their actions. In the old days, kids got into scuffles and maybe a fist fight or two..today, it's taken to a entire different level, guns and knives. I don't care how much someone works or doesn't work. It's about bringing your kids up with morals and respect for themselves and others. Parents need to teach their kids to be rational thinkers, not irrational, compulsive people that react without giving it a second thought. And as far as where you live, in relation to them..MOVE!! Do some research before you rent, whether you were there before them or after, Oak St.area in Manchester is known for not being a quiet nook to live in.
James Bond September 28, 2012 at 02:52 PM
Like I said before......dirtbags beget dirtbags! Income has nothing to do with being a low life..........look at the Wallstreet guys,they're just as low.
B September 28, 2012 at 03:21 PM
This was exactly my point! Doesn't matter what their income level is, violence just begets more violence. But people only read, or hear what they want.
B September 28, 2012 at 03:45 PM
Melissa, i'm not too concerned with what you or anyone else thinks of me, i know who i am. I don't know how far down you read, but i actually concur with what you said, It does start at home,good home training, teaching principles, and positive thinking and problem solving skills are essential. If you see my concern for us as a human race as me making excuses, i am okay with that because as i said you don't know anything about me. As for taking it to the next level, again, i agree wholeheartedly, but where do they get these guns i wonder? We wonder why kids are violent today when we live in a World, not country, World that craves violence, that uses arms and force to bend each other to their way of thinking, and seeing things. The hypocrisy of it all is insane. I have to bring my kids up, and teach them all kinds of contradictions, explain to them when its okay to kill someone ( if your a cop, or a soldier) and when its not okay. Well to me it's never okay. How do i explain this crazy world to my children that they have to grow up in? Its not a cops and robber show, its not just the good, the bad, and the ugly. Its not that simple!
B September 28, 2012 at 03:47 PM
Its all terribly overwhelming, and confusing, so how do i reconcile that to my kids? I do my best to teach them right from wrong, to have self respect and self worth, and to see others as valuable, and worthy of their respect, but you have no guarantee that it will stick, it starts at home but doesn't always end there. Iv'e seen good, no, great parents kids get of the narrow path, and it is terribly sad to see them suffer and blame themselves and wonder where they went wrong. Obviously this case isn't one of those, but i'm just wondering how did we get here? how did the world become so cold and careless? All i can say is, God help us to help ourselves.
evelyn September 28, 2012 at 05:27 PM
this is ridiculous ... im sure your comments about the oak street family are on the money , i would not know what i would do if i saw a child of mines bloody and hurt due to someone elses hand, i would die, i do know those rejects from that neighborhood ,oak street, beat a boy senselessly for no apparent reason accusing him of something he did not do, seriously dont u now who hurt you, i know i would....
evelyn September 28, 2012 at 05:36 PM
@B in accordance to your account of the other family, i am also well aware that they are actually decent people, the mother does work two jobs and the older son is employed and goes to college as well...this is terrible what is someone to do when othr people terrorize others, sometimes people like that only understand violence, its extremly sad....
B September 28, 2012 at 05:56 PM
All i'm saying is income level shouldn't equate to "undesirable," that kind of thinking is part of the problem. I was mistaken as to which family anonymous was referring to, and that is why i apologized, i still stand by everything i said. I agree with all comments here regarding zero tolerance for violence, and I wish all of you a happy, safe day.
James Bond September 29, 2012 at 02:20 PM
It seems to me that many of us,not just in Manchester, have lost the grace and self pride of being a human being. Gone are the days when being ashamed of bad behavior prevents you acting out.This guy was NOT a parent,he was the male half a of a baby.Being a true father is totally lost on this creep and now he's got children that will grow up just like him.No grace no self-respect or respect for others,and no idea of how to be an adult.
Monica Lopez September 29, 2012 at 04:45 PM
john September 29, 2012 at 05:43 PM
Let me get a dutch and a grape soda
The Boss September 29, 2012 at 07:17 PM
omg i hate nosey people i agree with u monica those people at 246 never mind there business all of the people between oak and Norman and oak and glenwood have to leave them kids alone they do nothing but be respectful to all but then again if they get messed with they try to avoid it but now in days u can try and walk away but people stay coming back for more problems so wHat r those young guy supposed to do watch each other get shot or stabbed up in front of each other and not defend each other nobody in there rite mind would do that so for everybody on oak MIND YOUR DANG BUSINESS thank you and good bye
Monica Lopez September 30, 2012 at 03:16 AM
The Boss , I agree with you , I know that the kids that live there are very nice kids they are very friendly and family oriented . They will clearly do anything it takes for their family to be safe . The problem is , the kids that stabbed the kids used to be in and out of that house as they were apart of the family , they are awear of the things the family will do for one another because they were once considered family . Things were taken to the extent they were because " they know what was coming for them if they tried to mess with them " . Yes all familes have their own issues , but nobody should be judging the family for the outbreaks they are having . Their family wasn't the one with the knives or guns . The others were , so why is it that everyone is taking it out on them ? If they were going to fight , let them fight ' but don't accuse them of something more , like a stabbing , they didn't know that was going to happen , because I am pretty sure if they did it would have been worst than it was . Anyways , I think this whole thing was blown out of proportion over a fight at a high school football game . Many people have been arrested and doing time for something that could have easily been prevented , I don't know what pleasure these people who stabbed the family , or shot at their house ( that had children outside ) but I know for sure it isn't worth the consquence it is having on their lives .
Monica Lopez September 30, 2012 at 03:25 AM
Why is it any of your business in what the landlord does ? Why is it that you are involving yourself in the mixture of their family problems ? And another question , WHY ARE YOU WORRIED ABOUT WHAT THEY DO ? They have a porch for a reason , not decoration . If you are so involved why didn't you just write your name instead of anonymous ? Mind your own business when it comes OTHERS families .
The Boss September 30, 2012 at 03:40 AM
atleast someone understands ways going on thank u Monica for that I feel bad for the family if it was my family I would have gone insane God bless those young men
Monica Lopez September 30, 2012 at 04:02 AM
Exactly , everyone has the nerve to talk wrong of this family but they haven't experienced anything alone the lines of what they have in the past week , or even before that knowing the things that have done on not onlt within the family but the people surrounding them . These people are strongly loved by many so have sympathy for them .
The Boss September 30, 2012 at 04:12 AM
No according to the people from 246 does kids are devils but the key word is KIDS they young guys wrong to survive wat count is that they are wrong to change cause I have helped them a couple time when they came to my church
Monica Lopez September 30, 2012 at 04:14 AM
No child , no matter their past or anything should never have to experience being stabbed or shot at before the age of 18 and even after that shouldnt .


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