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Many More Short Sales to Come

Realtor states that short sales make up 50% of his business.

I was having lunch with one of my Realtor referral partners the other day. He was telling me that over 50% of his sales today involve short sales. We started talking about the folks that are selling these homes.

Can you imagine the huge number of people that now have to rent? Can you imagine the number of potential future home buyers? In most cases, they will need to wait 3 years before they will be able to obtain a new mortgage. There are exceptions to this rule.

We could turn the value of real estate around much quicker if some of these regulation were loosened for folks that have gone through a short sale.

This article talks about fraud involved in short sales:

Short Sale Fraud By: Sarah Stoltzfus

StevenC October 3, 2012 at 10:50 am
I think this is an over exaggeration of the short sale situation and may reflect just one Realtors experience...as the broker of a local company that handles in excess of 1000 transactions per year, I can assure you the percentage of short sales are more in the range of 10-15%.
R Eleveld October 3, 2012 at 01:05 pm
We are in the trough of the housing market, as I predicted 6 years ago, this maybe the time to start to wade into the water. Next year I think would be better. The short sales will help clear the decks and mark the losses so a baseline can be created and we can move on from here.
Jim Aspen October 3, 2012 at 01:20 pm
New Jobs Report-One person Hired Last Month.
Wyatt October 3, 2012 at 01:43 pm
I think it depends on the town. Of course residents in a town like Canton would have a harder time selling their home because its not a very desirable place to live.
On the flip side though, homes in the more desirable parts of West Hartford often sell in days. Friends of mine just sold their home in 2 days and then had to pay above asking for another home in town.
meowkats4 October 3, 2012 at 01:56 pm
I don't think VERNON is selling homes as quickly as West Hartford! Besides we should worry more regarding issues in our very own TOWN! West Hartford does not have as many vacancies as VERNON does!! I can't compare apples to bananas!
LB October 3, 2012 at 05:29 pm
Oh goodie! More short sales. More homes lost. More bottom-feeders in the neighborhood...or not...probably just flippers, the worst type of bottom-feeder. Woot-woot!
Jon Sigler October 4, 2012 at 08:12 pm
Real estate is a very local thing, totally agree with you. National stats make headlines, but Detroit, Vernon, Miami, or Stocton all have different markets, problems and solutions.
FHA guidelines say that for a buyer who is current (the key word) on their existiing loan and who needs to sell short, can provided it is not to take advantage of the market and without any delay. Some examples a similar house in the same town won't fly, a house with an in-law for your aging parents or college age child yes
Kevin Mace October 5, 2012 at 02:05 am
How is a flipper a bottom feeder? Most are taking properties that are just going to sit and deteriorate vacant and turn them into homes that are attractive to buyers. Flippers are critical to stabilizing the housing market!
Brian Burke October 5, 2012 at 02:41 am
Good point Kevin! Flippers help the market and restore neighborhoods.
Michelle L. Mayo, Realtor, ABR, SRES October 5, 2012 at 11:27 am
Wyatt,
Agree with you wholeheartedly. It really does depend on the town. Kevin, There are some people in this world that are are just so negative no matter what one does, bad or good. We should be thanking and praising these flippers, not criticizing them.
Jim G. October 5, 2012 at 12:12 pm
Flippers have absolutely no investment in the neighborhood. It's better, in most cases, for a property to wait for an owner/resident who will put more into it than a fast, cheap, generic makeover intended to generate a quick sale. Flipped properties are usually overpriced garbage, like a car with a cheap paint job over its rust and magic goo in the crankcase to make the engine run smoothly... for a while.
I don't much care for the self-righteousness of those in a game for financial profit alone who try to set themselves up as heroes and saviors. But you're all free to talk trash about me at your next Realtor(r) networking session.
Fay Abrahamsson (Editor) October 5, 2012 at 12:23 pm
I know of a "flipper" who renovated a neglected home from top to bottom and outside and made it safe, attractive, clean and usable. It had been an eyesore. He put his heart, soul and sweat into the work. The people who bought it at a reasonable price had a young child and a baby on the way. They couldn't have done the work (didn't know how, didn't have the time) and were grateful they could find a ready-to-move-in home at a good price in the town they wanted. They are now investors in that town and neighborhood. What could possibly be wrong with this scenario, I ask?
Jim G. October 5, 2012 at 12:55 pm
Not a darn thing, Fay, except that we both know this kind of thing is a distinct minority. Most flippers buy as cheap as they can, put the absolute minimum repair work in to meet FHA code, use every trick in the book to make the property sales-appealing (which is rarely the same as liveable and durable), take their profit and run. The often non-savvy buyer who was looking for an inexpensive house in a step-up neighborhood inherits the nightmare and everyone except the flipper loses.
But what could be wrong with THAT scenario as long as all the RE vampires got their cut?
Paul Petrone (Editor) October 5, 2012 at 01:11 pm
I agree with you Fay, my dad and brother have "flipped" several houses.
By "flipping" them, they have turned a house that was a health hazard, a danger to go inside and something that lowers every neighbor's property values into a safe, secure home. They handled the landscaping so neighbors didn't have to deal with foot-high grass and all the animals that come with it. My neighborhood in New London is filled with homes that are owned by absentee-land lords who neglect their properties, which allows for crime and ruins the entire neighborhood. I would love for a "flipper" to come in to these homes, fix them up and make this neighborhood safer and more valuable.
Firespy October 5, 2012 at 01:12 pm
Wyatt,
I take exception to your comment that Canton is not a very desirable place to live. Canton has great schools, a low crime rate, fantastic shopping, and excellent recreational opportunities provided courtesy of the Farmington River and rails to trails. If you check out this months edition of Country Living, Canton is featured in one of their stories. Fall is an excellent time to visit. Come see us! you won't be disappointed. P.S. Our housing sales are doing better than the majority of the state!
Richard Poulton October 5, 2012 at 01:16 pm
I am not in real estate but want to make a quick comment as to "flipping" a house.
On my street there was a small extremely run-down tiny little home. It was in real bad shape. We bought it for land value only. I, along with some friends in the field, took the home down to the first floor level, went right back up making it into a very nice 2 story home. I did 90% of the work once it was closed in. After working for about 7 months on this project it was sold to the first person looking at it. Yes, I made a little money, but the neighborhood looks so much better. I would do it again if the right house came along.
Jon Sigler October 5, 2012 at 01:20 pm
Jim G., one of the challenges is the lack of financing for owner occupants to buy and renovate a home in need of work. Sure there is the FHA 203k loan, but it isn't the same as a turn key home. Another challenge is concern most home buyers have over the "work" a home needs. Many feel that carpet or paint is major work which is far from the truth. They can't see past the homes current condition.
Sure "flipper" has a real negative sound to it. But without people or companies willing to buy and renovate homes most would sit far longer, years or possibly decades unoccupied and falling into greater disrepair. A "flipper" must have a certain amount of "profit" in a home to make sure that they are able to return the home to a livable and desirable state and resell it. I don't like a "flipper" who does nothing but puts lipstick on a pig and dumps it to an unsuspecting buyer. No one does and that is wrong. But lots of the homes that borrowers I have worked with recently have been renovated very well. Those flippers have done good in their neighborhoods and deserve to make a profit for their hard work and risk.
Jim G. October 5, 2012 at 01:42 pm
Before this discussion gets any more circular, I'm perfectly aware that there are "honest" flippers - I just wouldn't use that term for them. Doing it as a family or neighborhood project and putting real effort into the job is one thing... but it's also a RARE thing.
My comments and objections apply exclusively to the semi-commercial flippers who have no connection to the property or neighborhood and no consideration for the consequences of a profit-driven flip. There are too many of them and in my experience they do more damage to a neighborhood than leaving a property for a genuinely committed owner.
Kevin Mace October 5, 2012 at 03:19 pm
While I appreciate your comments Jim I think you are drastically wrong for many reasons. Most flippers are good but rarely does anyone hear about the good stories where as the horror stories get everyone's attention and make front line news. Your are correct that for the most part there is no personal connection to the neighbor hood and yes it is profit driven - just like any other business! If a flipper continues to do a bad job how do you think their reputation is going to look and how willing are people going to be to buy their properties? Are there bad flippers out there yes, certainly but in my experience they are in the minority.
The comment about flipped houses being over priced obviously comes from someone not in the business who has just listened to the news. Usually flipped houses are under priced. The flipper wants to sell the property, make their profit and move on to the next job keeping their crew at work. They don't want to sit on an over priced home that does not sell. It does not make financial sense. The fact is that flippers are crucial to stabilizing the housing market which means is part of the foundation for stabilizing this economy. Are their bad, unethical, some might even say scum bag flippers? Most certainly. Are they in the Majority? Not in my experience and those that do such practices do not last long. Jim - what is your experience in the real estate business if you don't mind me asking?
R Eleveld October 5, 2012 at 05:24 pm
Real Estate is an illiquid asset. You can’t turn a piece of property into cash within a week. Flippers and investors remove houses from the market. This reduces inventories of available homes, and that in turn will cause prices to rise, ECON101, supply and demand.
Flippers and other investors make investments in the property improving the value of the parcel and its appearance. This in turn improves the values of all the properties in the neighborhood. These people also take a capital risk by having to put up specifically hired down payments, thus reducing the risk of the loan to the lending institution. On the other hand, we can outlaw flippers and investors in real estate. That may sound like a good idea, but let’s take a quick look at what actually would happen. More properties on the market, greater inventory all equals lower prices. This in turn hurt innocents through no fault of their own, must sell their homes because of divorce, estate settlements, job moves, and other life changes. We should be looking for more people to make real estate investments reducing inventories, making improvements and improving housing values. As I said at this point in time we are in the trough. Arguably, it is the time to consider making such purchases. If you have real estate management experience. I do not recommend real estate investment for people who do not have experience in this space.
Jim G. October 5, 2012 at 06:03 pm
Kevin, you're directly and indirectly assigning a number of statements to me that I neither made nor agree with. Deal with the 'scumbag' claims with those who made them. Ditto for "overpriced" - I said nothing about pricing.
Flippers don't HAVE reputations - buyers don't look for a chain of properties the seller has processed, which is why so many of them can get away with the fastest, cheapest reno work. They're just investors looking for the biggest profits they can manage in the shortest time. There's no such thing as licensing or control or a need to "go into business" as a flipper; they're just the serial owners of the properties. I'll point out the obvious reason all you RE pros are so hot about flips: they represent two sales in a short time period, the same agent is likely to handle both, and the whole RE pack of wolves only makes money when houses change hands. So of COURSE any sale is a good sale, the more and faster the better. The consequences of poorly renovated houses matter little to you... certainly not as much as to the unsavvy buyer or the neighborhood that suffers from the lingering problems.
R Eleveld October 5, 2012 at 06:17 pm
@Jim G: A thought while reading your comments. You make some good points. I think we need to take a look at regulating and licensing real estate agents more heavily? Would it not be their responsibility to know the property that they are selling? Shouldn’t they know if the “Flipper” is a serial Flipper of poor quality renovation work? Shouldn’t they also be looking to protect the buyer of a property? Shouldn’t they be trying to make sure the buyer can afford the property? Isn’t the agent the professional that should know his customer? Should the agent not be working for the benefit of all parties in the transaction?
The reality is in Connecticut agents are, by law, required to represent the seller, first and foremost, with exceptions. To make a change to that one law might be very beneficial to buyers and the industry. Otherwise, it continues: Caveat emptor.
Jim G. October 5, 2012 at 06:54 pm
Ron, I don't know that there's any need to specially address flipping as a separate activity or business. For one thing, any rigid definition would be pretty arbitrary. It always will be a case of 'caveat emptor' - and the beware there is of more than just shady sales tactics. A homebuyer needs to do due diligence on any serious purchase consideration, to make sure they understand, completely and exactly, what they're buying. Being able to spot cheap, hasty renovations that are likely to need replacement or redoing, or work that covers up other problems, or limitations that aren't obvious on a well-dressed walkthrough... any house, any buyer, same demands.
That said, CT's RE laws overly favor the seller. There are other models that would protect the buyer more by simply shifting the burden of representation assigned to agents and brokers. My objections to flippers, in the end, have less to do with the details of the transactions and so forth than the lack of investment they have in fostering a quality outcome for the buyer or the neighborhood. I dislike financial hit-and-run artists in any field.
R Eleveld October 5, 2012 at 08:09 pm
You are correct in that the short term traders do not always add in the long term. My industry has a ton of day traders or the 'worse' HFT's or High Frequency Traders.
We are agreed that the CT RE laws do need to be modified to be more equitable to the buyers.
Christine October 6, 2012 at 03:39 am
Hmmmm, I was expecting a discussion on short-sales? Lots of interesting perspectives on flippers-- but I am very concerned with the "future" of short-sales. Currently legislation has been extended through 12/31/12 protecting the seller from having to claim the dollar amount short as income on their tax filings. This is allowing folks to get out from an upside down position w/o getting slammed on their taxes. I have not heard that this has been extended again? If it is not extended, or replaced with new options, short-sales will come to a screaming halt and the foreclosures will skyrocket.
Any 411 on this?
Christine October 6, 2012 at 03:58 am
@Paul Absentee Landlord v. Crime. That's a difficult one. Which came first? The impression of an absentee landlord or the dirt bag tenant? After rehabbing any of those properties, did you ever stick around to be a landlord? All it takes is one rotten tenant to reek havoc on a property and essentially a neighborhood. CT housing law is 100% in favor of tenants. They can sue you over anything, trash your property over and over and over, all the while not paying their rent... and the stupid judges won't just bang the gavel and say "get out." In ten years as a property manager, my shortest legal eviction was 3 months. The longest, 15 months-- in which this particular tenant ended up owing 10k in back rent and caused 25k in damage to the property. Then add in the legal fees and the kicker.... the landlord has to pay for "proper" moving to storage of the evicted tenant's items! That includes moving boxes, bubble wrap for all fragile items, a moving crew, and a marshal to oversee it all. Button that crack-head's professional move up to 3k.
Do the math on the cost of that eviction. Many landlords do not have the funds to keep up with such terrible tenants. If you really want to see neighborhoods cleaned up, we need to vote out all the liberal politicians. CT's liberal laws need to be changed to reflect accountability and responsibility, to yield justice for all. We can not continue to humor abusive, destructive, freeloading, non-paying tenants. Period.
jane October 6, 2012 at 09:45 am
Kevin - absolutely correct. Some folks just don't practice critical thinking.

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